ANTIQUES Magazine is featuring a special two-part podcast hosted by Ben Miller, presenter of the “Curious Objects” series, in conversation with Jan David Winitz, president and founder of Claremont Rug Company (www.claremontrug.com).
In this engaging interview, Winitz shares his expertise on collecting top-tier antique Oriental rugs, specifically those created during the Second Golden Age of Persian Weaving (circa 1800–1910). Miller delves into how Winitz assists clients in discovering their personal preferences and developing a deeper visual appreciation for these intricate art forms.
A standout moment in the discussion is Winitz’s exploration of how he educates clients to recognize the often-overlooked value of antique rugs. He emphasizes the spiritual depth and cultural significance woven into these masterpieces, helping clients connect with the profound artistry they represent.
Winitz explains, “The people who made these rugs were deeply connected to the earth. They were pre-industrial artisans, living in 19th- and 18th-century villages without electricity, relying on horseback for transportation. Their rugs reflect their intimate relationship with the natural world, a connection that is incredibly valuable in today’s world.”
The conversation also touches on the concept of “knot count,” a topic often misunderstood by collectors. Winitz clarifies its role in assessing a rug’s artistic impact. “One of the biggest misconceptions about antique rugs is that knot count is the most important factor. It’s not. Some of the most valuable rugs, like certain Caucasian Kazaks, are loosely woven with only 50 or 60 knots per square inch, yet they are incredibly moving. On the other hand, you might find 20th-century Persian rugs with 500 knots per square inch, but they lack artistic soul because the weavers became mere machines, following repetitive patterns.”
The podcast also includes a discussion of a rare, early 19th-century Bakshaish Dragon and Phoenix carpet that hangs in Winitz’s office. Acquired in his youth, this extraordinary piece, which is not for sale, holds deep personal significance for him. Winitz explains its meaning: “The rug symbolizes the cosmic balance between the dragon and Phoenix, between yin and yang. These are not simply male and female but represent universal principles from Eastern philosophy—powerful and yet deeply embracing.”
The two-part podcast is now available at ANTIQUES Magazine’s podcast page.
